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Post by SlamaLamaDingDong on Mar 18, 2011 13:00:36 GMT -8
I've said it from the beginning: 4 keepers are WAY too much in a 20 team league. It needs to be lowered to 2 or 3. Heck, if we keep three players, that already eats up 60 of the top guys before the draft even starts.
As for dropping keepers and getting the picks, I've understood that this was the rule from the beginning. So if a manager wishes to drop a keeper this season, I'm all for it. Heck, its in the Rules.
What we should be focusing on is changing that 5 keeper rule for next year and bringing it down to 2 or 3 players that MUST be kept.
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Post by milkman on Mar 18, 2011 13:36:28 GMT -8
i think for the first time, I agree with greenie. this is one hell of a league
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Post by cupofjo on Mar 18, 2011 14:57:13 GMT -8
It is what it is. These are the rules in place. You need to know them before we start griping.
I am all for a change for declaring keepers. If you declare them you have to keep them no dropping them. I do not think you should have to declare 5. You should be able to choose up to 5.
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Post by greenmonsters on Mar 18, 2011 15:55:57 GMT -8
I make the motion we keep only 2 keepers starting with next seasons winter meetings. Do I hear a second?
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Post by SlamaLamaDingDong on Mar 18, 2011 18:43:56 GMT -8
I'll second that. However, I don't think it works that way. I believe the Commish will set up a poll w/ choices as to how many Keepers people prefer. Anybody?
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Post by SlamaLamaDingDong on Mar 18, 2011 18:52:39 GMT -8
I drop Napoli, Ramirez, and Beltre back into the FA pool in order to get back picks in Rounds 2,3, and 4 from the FA pool.
Moderator: Roster listing on page 1 has been updated to reflect this.
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Post by Dominator on Mar 18, 2011 19:17:03 GMT -8
Right on greenie!!!! The best damn league in the nation...GO BUCKS!!!!!
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Post by cupofjo on Mar 19, 2011 7:02:02 GMT -8
I'll second that. However, I don't think it works that way. I believe the Commish will set up a poll w/ choices as to how many Keepers people prefer. Anybody? You are correct. Being a keeper league I oppose being limited to 2 keepers. If we do that it is basically a redraft league. A keeper league is to build a team around a group of players that will contend year in and year out. You walk the line in balancing your team to win this year and contend for years to come. If we drop to 2 keepers there is no strategy in trading for next year or years to come. Trading will be very limited as people know you are allowed only 2 keepers. It will only become trading of picks which is good but not all of the experience of a Keeper league. There are other ways to make it more fair then limiting the keepers. Tie the player rd they are drafted in. If player was drafted in 1st rd you lose that pick. If you keep a player drafted in 7th rd you lose that pick. You can get a bargain pick (diamond in the rough who finally shines) at a lower rd pick if you drafted him late. This way you can get a 1st/2nd rd production tied to a later pick. You can tie them up with a contract. You can offer a 1 to 5 year contract to player. When contract expires they go back into FA pool You can limit how long we can keep players 3 to 5 years. when that time runs out they go back to FA pool. When trading contracted/limited players the whole thing goes in the trade. Example: Team A has Pujols in the last year of contract and is not in contention. Team B who is contending is willing to trade Mike Stanton contracted for 4 years for Pujols who will become a FA at the end of season. By doing this Team B is renting Pujols in hoping he will win it all. Team B just made his team better for next year by getting Stanton for 4 years and Team A got the help to put him over the top to win it all for a cost by losing Pujols at the end of season. Just a couple ideas.
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Post by Dominator on Mar 19, 2011 7:19:26 GMT -8
I am in favor of 4-5 keeps but you have to make them stick. I do like the idea of incorporating the draft pick with the player. That would make things more interesting. I don't know about the whole contract idea. Some good thoughts though.
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Post by SlamaLamaDingDong on Mar 19, 2011 8:39:43 GMT -8
My biggest problem w/ making keeper stick is injury. Look at Utley and Wainwright as classic examples. Imagine having one or even both of these guys as keepers this season. Your team would be done before the season even started.
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Post by greenmonsters on Mar 19, 2011 9:22:33 GMT -8
i am in favor of keepers as well but keepers are keepers. You have the right to keep who ever you want for a certain amount of time, then you build around those players not start dropping them once you see who is now in the FA pool.
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Post by cupofjo on Mar 19, 2011 16:45:49 GMT -8
Tyler I agree 100% about declaring keepers. Once declared you shouldn't be able to drop them.
With that said it is within the rules so I will not complain.
We just need to see if we can get a vote on a change for next year that is all. Joe is open minded if enough of teams think there is a need for a change.
Victor valid point with the injury. Maybe a bylaw in rule if player lost for season you can drop him. Depending who it is it could be risky.
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Post by milkman on Mar 19, 2011 17:50:19 GMT -8
how can you change to keeping based on rounds or by assigning contracts to a league that did not have that from the beginning. There have already been trades of keepers without that being taken into account. For example. Carlos gonzalez was taken in the 6th round last year (i think). he was traded a couple times, but once for pujols drafted in the first. that trade made sense in this league, but would not have made sense with that factored in. Stanton was also traded at a huge discount if rounds were assigned. Rules should not be changed if they significantly change the values of previous trades. Changes can sound fine right now, but it means certain owners get put in a hole or make other trades turn into terrible losses because of the whims in the league currently. these changes are only fair in a new redraft league.
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Post by SlamaLamaDingDong on Mar 19, 2011 18:24:38 GMT -8
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH to all this talk. The draft is TOMORROW BABY! Can't wait! Keepers or no Keepers. This is the BEST damn league on the planet.
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Post by cupofjo on Mar 20, 2011 5:08:24 GMT -8
how can you change to keeping based on rounds or by assigning contracts to a league that did not have that from the beginning. There have already been trades of keepers without that being taken into account. For example. Carlos gonzalez was taken in the 6th round last year (i think). he was traded a couple times, but once for pujols drafted in the first. that trade made sense in this league, but would not have made sense with that factored in. Stanton was also traded at a huge discount if rounds were assigned. Rules should not be changed if they significantly change the values of previous trades. Changes can sound fine right now, but it means certain owners get put in a hole or make other trades turn into terrible losses because of the whims in the league currently. these changes are only fair in a new redraft league. Not to worry Alan. I just threw out some ideas. Doesn't mean it will happen. Just to consider them. If we were to assign a draft picks to keepers you would use the ADP. Cargo is no longer a bargain being drafted in the top 10. He would be assigned a 1st rd pick now. Anyone picked in top 20 for us would be a 1st rd pick. As for your team I think you will fare very well. Still plenty of very good players in pool. You get picks 12 picks in rds 5 thru 7 plus 3 picks in keeper rds. You will have your team almost complete(15 picks)before we get out of the 3rd rd. That is effing amazing! And it is still about winning now. If you have a chance to make a run this year you sacrifice a couple years (younger developing players). Your strategy with the draft was brilliant IMO. I will bank on it you will have 4 solid keepers for next year as long as you don't trade them away :-P
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